事到如今，还是会有人在问，教会面对的问题，到底是什么？Added, A reply for irisfranz: the root-cause!

事到如今，还是会有人在问，教会面对的问题，到底是什么？

从实际事件，可以看出教会面对的基本问题吗？

为什么主耶稣要教导门徒，【观其果而知其树（马太7：15-20）】，一个又简单又直接的方法呢？因为不管这些妖魔鬼怪以什么形态出现，邪灵，假先知，假使徒，或残暴的狼等等，在他们所结出的果子映照之下，一定原形毕露。你至少可以明白为什么主耶稣不叫我们以【神迹奇事，或口里所说的】去分辨它们的好或坏。因为一颗树会以【婆娑起舞的倩影】或【随风招展的芳姿】迷惑了你，但等舞停了，风止住了，那高挂在树上的果子，你一看就知道它的好或坏，是不是？

	观其果	知其树
1	IA制造假证据陷害自己的传道人。	违背主耶稣的吩咐
2	IA利用权势毁灭自己制作的假证据，毫无悔改的心态。	违背主耶稣的吩咐
3	IA尝试【以新的谎言】遮蔽旧的谎言，毫无悔过的心态。	违背主耶稣的吩咐
4	IA制造一纸控诉，单方面的，在没有公平的审判下，下定论，论断自己的传道人，表现出心中没有神的心态。	违背主耶稣的吩咐
5	教会以【政治势力】摧毁圣灵感动传道人为了护卫神的名发表的理论，而不是以圣经之道 ---【真 理】对证【真理】的方法。陈素华同灵的回应，指出【谢长老】扭曲传道单纯为护卫神的名的理论。姑不论传道的理论的对或错，利用【扭曲言论的方法】，让外人 看了，真的为一位德高望重的长老【汗颜】。他们喜欢【玩政治权势】多过【传扬主耶稣的真理】。为了政治前途，他们要信徒遵他们为王，而不是遵耶稣基督为 王。	违背主耶稣的吩咐
6	曲解“真理一次交托，逐渐显明”。这句话原本的意思是说，以前对【真理的理解】可能是错的，如今得到更明显的启示显明【正确的理解】。真理保持不变，是人的理解因启示改变了。	违背主耶稣的启示
7	（哥前3：16和约翰6：56）都是传达同样性质的信息。神的灵在我们里头，主耶稣基督活在我们里面。活在我们里头的神的灵难道只能【充满你，使你有说方言的恩赐】，神的灵不能以【不同的方式充满你，使你大有信心，使你有讲道的能力等等】吗？	违背圣灵的启示，消灭圣灵的感动
8	【风声与火焰】，都是明证，证明主耶稣没有撇下门徒为孤儿。【口说方言】，也是明证，证明主耶稣的灵是住在门徒里面。在事情还没有成就，主耶稣豫先告诉门徒，叫门徒在事情成就的时後，就可以信。小信的门徒在事情成就的时候，果然真的信了。教会把这件事情领悟错了，竟然糊涂到以神所赐的恩赐，把主耶稣的肢体分为【主喜悦的】与【主不喜悦的】。也闭眼不看闭耳不听，信徒从启示得到的新的理解。	违背圣灵的启示，亵渎神的恩赐
9	我们集合在一起，成为一个团体或组织（英文形容为we form a body which means an organization but not a physical body。组成一个身体，意思是团体而不是实质的身体。）。这团体是属于耶稣的，也可以被称为，主的团体（英文说成，body of Christ，or Christ’s body。主的身体）。这里“身体”是比喻文，不是好像教会有一些人把它幻想成真的主耶稣实质的身体。我们只是主耶稣的肢体，肢体再多，如何可以变成主耶稣，取代了主耶稣实质的身体呢？神可以被人取代吗？	教会想取代神的地位（身体）
10	洗脚礼，我们根本没有遵照主耶稣所设的榜样行。主耶稣责骂使徒彼得的一句话，我们把它立为典礼。主耶稣设下的榜样，叫那些被主差遣出去传福音的使徒们彼此洗脚，我们却置之不理。今天你有看过梁替杨洗脚吗？你有看过杨替柯洗脚吗？你有看过柯替车洗脚吗？你有看过他们彼此洗脚，体会他们只是主耶稣的仆人，没有一个仆人可以高过另一个仆人的；没有一个仆人可以高过主耶稣基督的！	教会没有遵守主设下的榜样

从这些果子，我们应该非常清楚的看到，教会的一些领导人在【做违背主耶稣吩咐的作为】，基本上他们是犯罪了。因为这几个人的作为，在他们的带领下教会变成一个没有真理的地方，教会已经【不配被称为真理的柱石】。教会变成在敬拜钱财，不是在高举神的公义神的真理。没有主耶稣真理的地方，教会不再属于耶稣基督，教会已经【不配被称为主耶稣的身体（团体）】。

以上【做出违背主耶稣吩咐的作为】应该是教会今天面对的最基本的问题。

所以教会组织的体制，不是我们面对的基本问题，而是基本问题的副产品。这些领导人厌弃神的真理，他们改换真耶稣教会的体制保护他们可以继续做违反主耶稣吩咐的作为。

所以我还是呼吁，我们一定要靠主耶稣基督的真理【制死人心里想要违背主耶稣吩咐的欲念】。这样或许我们可以有机会追回神的教会（集会），伸直神的道！

所以神的7000，这是拯救神的教会（集会）的时刻，请明心见性的联合起来，靠基督的大能，追回这快要失去的教会。

愿神赐给我们智慧的灵和启示的灵，使我们可以明心见性，支持圣灵的感动，靠神的真理洁净神的殿。

参考资料：

制死想要犯罪的私欲！Kill the desire to sin!  http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2012/09/kill-desire-to-sin.html

浅谈撒旦自存论里提到的一些概念  http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-post_28.html

從我们眼睛可以看到有凭有据的【教会所结的坏果】And Translation! http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2012/04/and-translation.html

洗脚有感：明白为何主要洗门徒的脚 http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2011/06/blog-post.html

从神而来的自由 http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2012/09/blog-post.html

属灵战争的第三战：以色列人厌弃神为他们的王 http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-post.html

“圣灵的洗”事件发生的目的：约翰福音14章一个隐藏了两千多年的秘密 http://desert-rose-1.blogspot.com/2011/07/1.html

A reply for irisfranz: the root-cause!

On September 5th, 2012 desert-rose says:

Dear irisfranz, 

The only objective for our organization is to bear witness for Christ. We are to teach others to follow the same commands Jesus asked us to obey. Therefore literally, sin is defined in the Oxford dictionary as “an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law”.

You have seen the fruits bore by Deacon W and IA. I am pretty sure if you analyze one more step further, you will be able to see the root-cause that lead to such fruition. (MATT 7:15-20) So look at the fruits and you may be able to see the concepts shining out from them.

What does it mean with the fruits bore by the Deacon?

1. Jesus said no one know when the end-time will be (MATT 24).  Deacon W. had tried to deceive the congregation and sinned against Jesus’ command.

2. Jesus said I am the Father (John 14:7, 9). Deacon denied Jesus is the Father and the given name. He had sinned against Jesus’ command.

3. God told Cain to rule over sin - a desire in his heart to act against God’s command to do GOOD but shunt EVIL (Gen 4:6-7). Deacon failed to recognize his desire as his enemy. He scapegoat Islam as the enemy and disobey God’s command.

What could be the reason the church and IA did not deal with such person who sinned against God’s commandments? A sister’s testimony told us that they care more for money than justice of God. They could be encouraging congregation to sin against God’s commandments instead of obeying them.

What fruits that the church and IA had bore?

If you are bold enough to scrutinize them critically, you would be startle by observing such close similarity of the root-cause.

1. In the process of kicking YM out of their organization, IA generated false evidences against YM through GOMA incidence. YM submitted proof against the accusation and IA quietly destroyed them. Therefore IA had sinned against God’s commandments.

IA defamed YM’s reputation by spreading rumors that YM was not honest, and that the Spirit of God dwelling in him was questionable. This had also sinned against God’s commandments.

2. IA denied responsibility that IA had assigned YM/Elder Hsieh to research the origin of evil spirit and devil. They continued to defame YM even after YM ceased talking about his thesis when it was rejected by TRC. This was sinning against God’s commandments.

3. IA twisted YM’s suggestion “Truths are entrusted once, and gradually being revealed”. This phrase meant to mean our initial comprehension of the truths might be wrong. However the Spirit of God may reveal to us the actual meaning of His words at later time. Therefore we should not destroy such revelation without carefully studying it. The truth remained unchanged but man’s comprehension change. But IA twisted it to mean YM was suggesting that God’s Truths changed in time. This was sinning against God’s work.

4. 1 COR 3:16 and John 6:56 contain similar message. The Spirit of God dwells in us. Lord Jesus lives inside us. The Spirit of our Almighty God filled all-in-all. How could the Spirit of God dwelling inside us cannot filled our little body-size? Could the Spirit of God not filled us with different gifts but it must only be the gift of speaking with other tongues? Again, this action denied God’s self-decision capability, destroyed God’s revelation and movement.

5. The audible sound-like-the-blowing-of-violent-wind and the visible tongue-of-fire were clear evidences. They had clearly proven to the disciples that Jesus was with them and had never left them as orphans. When each of the disciples was enabled to speaking with other tongues from each own-mouth, it was another clear-evidence proving to the disciples that not only Lord Jesus was with them but Lord Jesus was inside them. Our church does not realize that the old-comprehension could be wrong. Instead our church is using the gift from God to divide the limbs of Christ into two categories: [one pleases by God] and [the other not pleases by God]. They refuse to open their eyes and ears to the new revelation. They had acted against God.

 

6. Apostle Paul started his explanation telling us that we are just individual members of Christ or the branches of the vine. The branches belong to Christ and therefore we are Christ’s branches/members. Paul continued to extrapolate which meant to tell us that all the members gathered together forming an organization. Figuratively, such an organization can also be described as a body. Since this organization belongs to Christ, it can be described as Christ’s organization or Christ’s body. But Paul did not mean to tell us that the members have now become the physical-body of Christ. How can we as believers when gather in great number becoming the physical-body of Christ which logically and totally does not make any sense at all! The church had deceived its congregation. It has sinned against Lord Jesus command to bear witness for him.

7. Concerning Foot-Washing ceremony:  our church does not follow the example set by Lord Jesus. Instead, we have turned scathing critique of Christ against Apostle Peter who had tried to stop Jesus from carrying out his work into a must-have ceremony. We ignore the calling of Christ to those disciples whom Christ sent to spread the Gospel. Christ commanded the disciples whom he had sent to wash one another’s feet because none of them was greater than any other. And none of them was greater than their master who sent them. Did you see that Liang washed Yang’s feet? Did you see that Yang washed Ker’s feet? Did you see that Ker washed Che’s feet? Did you see those being sent wash one another’s feet? The church failed to follow the example and it is not being blessed by God.

The root-cause

Our so-called true church does not uphold Jesus’ commandments. In the opposite, the church tries to suppress those who see the truths and who have wanted to preach the truths. Therefore the true church you have seen is no more the pillar of truths. Can you ignorantly think you are still in a true church?

You should have understood the reason why they did not deal with Deacon W. because they are in the same gang preaching and acting against Jesus’ commandments.

If you are bold enough to think critically, you will see the true-state of our church. Will you then not join-force to claim back the lost church of Christ? Therefore the advice of [not to lose the peace in my heart] should really mean that when you stand up for the truth from Christ, even though you may be persecuted like YM has, remember the peace from God is always be with you. Lord Jesus has never left us behind as orphans. Have faith that Lord Jesus is always living with us and living in us, even though we cannot see him with our naked eyes.

May God bless you abundantly!